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• Buy and apply a thermal compound, make sure you attached the CPU cooler correctly (the pulverized rests of the previous thermal compound will not conduct heat!)
• Buy a cooling pad or put your laptop on top of 2 books to increase airflow beneath it
Undervolt in BIOS >

Undervolt with ThrottleStop >


What is undervolting? You reduce the input voltage of the CPU to a working minimum, below the default manufacturer setting that is unaccurate. The CPU will still work 100% but it will draw less power, be cooler and more efficient.
The exact voltage value depends on your components and your CPU sample. You need to find out yourself what's working and stable/unstable.

Let's say you put a voltage offset of -0.050V. The CPU will be cooler and should still work without programs crashing etc. When you go lower it may result in instability: Bluescreens, crashes, freezes. While it sounds scary, but you must hit the instability to know how low your CPU can go.
That's why you need to know how to test against instability:

• Prime95. Computes Prime numbers really efficiently and hence puts a good stress load on your CPU. Instability symptoms: Crash/Freeze
• LinX 0.6.5+AVX Benchmark. Uses Intel's math library for computations. You can set the duration for each run by changing "Memory", 256/512 MB should be good for your 2 core CPU. Symptoms: Artificially low resulting GFlops values, crashes, computational errors (you'll be notified). My favourite. The binary must be patched to test on AMD CPUs.
• Long-time PC usage. Browser/games etc, if something still crashes after hours of use, then your voltage is set too low. Just make sure to not do any real work you don't want to lose while testing your new lowest voltage setting
> Basically you want to test your CPU at both idle and high performance.

What's the perfect voltage for me?
Nobody knows and there's no universal answer. If you experience instability after lowering the voltage, you must increase it by 1 or 2 steps and test again. You are doing a jeweller's job by exploring the limits of your hardware. This fine-tuning yields great results. Undervolting = cooler CPU, less power consumption, less noise. Overcloking = faster CPU, saved money (because you didn't buy the more expensive CPU) and fun.

PS: What to undervolt?
CPU Cores. GPU/Internal GPU. Possibly CPU Cache like in the video above. These are easy to test for stability. Never touch the I/O or something else you don't know. If you change the I/O voltage, you may break it so that corrupt data will be written to disk etc. You don't want that.

and @user Masea: setting your CPU to 800 MHz ("Set Multiplier to 8") doesn't do you a favor You don't want to slow down your CPU, do you?

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@user Yates: I did everything to make me reach the inside of the book by watching a video. First of all, I needed to remove to keyboard then unscrew the nails under it to reach the inside of the notebook. Since I'm too inexperienced at such things, it was 2-hour work for me.

Whatever I did, I finally reached the fan to clean it up. I was about to unscrew its nails first of all. However, while was doing it, I probably did something wrong.
IMG:https://i.hizliresim.com/Q7BkrZ.jpg

This is as same PC as mine. See the red circle I drew(bottom left). Unfortunately, I displaced that thing. And I can no longer replace it to its place. I mean, like that thing is a bit above. But when I close up the inside of the book, despairingly that thing also replacing itself by the power of nails and the cover.

That's all that I did, as far as I remember.

@user VADemon: I have a cooling pad, no worries. But it's too old either, I don't think it works well.

I can't see those settings in my BIOS. Fuck it. I just updated my BIOS too, but nothing useful happened.

I'm not sure what happened to make me do undervolting. Just why? I only cleaned my fan Wtf man.

About setting set multiplier to 8, dude, it was the only thing that makes the temperatures low So... I'm confused as hell and don't know the things... Well.

Btw, thank you guys

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That thing you displaced and cannot get back into place is called a heatsink. The heat transfers from the CPU to the heatsink using thermal paste and the fan cools the heatsink (which is probably attached to smaller heatsink blades on the outer edge of the fan) by blowing air.

Get some thermal paste, apply that to the CPU for the sake of it and try and get the heatsink back to its original position everywhere. Make sure everything is screwed back tight, but note that tight is tight, don't use any additional force.

By the way, thermal paste is toxic (it won't kill you unless you eat like a lot of it I guess). Wash your hands and if you're a nail biter make sure you don't get any underneath your nails.
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get the heatsink back to its original position everywhere.
Thanks but the thing is that. I can't get that back to its original position. However, it gets when I close the cover anyway.

I'm about to get out and find thermal paste now. What should I take care on when I apply the thermal paste to my CPU? If it's all that you said user Yates, well then, I'll try.

@user Bowlinghead: I did. Guess what? It's updated I can easily say this is the first time I'm being sad while seeing something is updated! Fuck.

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@user Masea: Is the heatsink bent or is it no longer connected to something? Can you make a photo of the heatsink from different angles? It's very important the heatsink is put back to its original position.

About the thermal paste, there are many amounts people recommend. Just go with the one that you feel is best. Just make sure to only apply it to the CPU and not get it anywhere else.

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@user Masea:is it no longer connected to something?
It is.

I'll try to take pictures from different angles once I open the inside of my notebook again.

Thanks for helping me!

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If you are unscrewing heatsink from the motherboard do it in a correct order, you should be going from 1 to 2 etc. and screwing it back in the opposite direction with not too much strength. Apply thermal paste and use original thermal pads or use new ones. Clean chips before applying new ones along with thermal grease.

if its dent or bend, try to make it straight, it doesn't need much force to do it.

And ALWAYS double check if the fan is plugged in the right orientation

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@user Masea: I'm not sure if you're aware but, when you lower your CPU multiplier to 8, you're actually reducing its speed to 800Mhz. This is not an ideal solution, at 800Mhz you will not be able to perform any demanding task without it being sluggish slow.

Also, a cooling pad will not fix that, they're quite weak. You really should consider undervolting. Not only because you may have messed something up when cleaning your fans, but also because laptops often suffer from very bad cooling (look, your laptop is also using the same fan and heatsinks to cool both the CPU and GPU).
It is normal for you to be unable to do it on the BIOS (laptops) but you can still do it with ThrottleStop as VADemon said.

And Yates' right, you should make sure your heatsink is correctly installed, it is one of the critical components that manages your device temperatures.

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@user Masea: You just need an Isopropyl alcohol and a clean paper towel (make that paper towel wet from isopropyl alcohol) to clean CPU die and heatsink before applying thermalpaste, dont use too much force, it should come easy. You dont need to clean vrm if its cooled already with an thermal pads. Dont use thermal grease to anything other than CPU or GPU die! use Thermal pads.

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@user Masea: Pretty sure he's on about the voltage regulator modules. These things:

IMG:https://www.ozone3d.net/public/jegx/201004/asus_eah_5830_pcb.jpg


(This is from a desktop GPU, but they basically look the same).

But honestly if you didn't touch them and your laptop ran fine before the whole heatsink misplacement don't bother. That's my opinion, but it's your laptop.

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I'm not sure what happened to make me do undervolting. Just why? I only cleaned my fan Wtf man.

Well, if the cooler is in the wrong place, not all air is going through as it should. Your CPU is hotter etc. And it's summer too.
Anyway, despite the mess in the thread, I wanna tell you to not give up
And it is NOT a soundcard problem - your CPU is overheating and can't process the sound (I'm not going into detail here)

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So I bought Cooler Master thermal paste for a cheap price. But the thing is now, one of the nails is broken. And I can't open it with my screwdriver. Any suggestions? I'm thinking that powerful adhesive would work in this case.

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You mean the screw? If the head is split you can drill into it with a small drill bit then with a screw extractor drill bit which turns into the opposite direction you can very carefully and slowly remove the screw.

Edit: I just realized that not many people actually have these tools so get an elastic band, put it on top of the screw head and then put your screwdriver against that and try and screw it out. Be very careful not to go through the elastic band and damage the split head further.

IMG:https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T7rzQUkD--/18iy1cjme5vzgpng.png


The image above displays a quite large screw, but the principle is the same for any size.

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@user Yates: The screw stays at really deep, unlike the image. I mean it's not out to apply those things you said. Something like that:
IMG:https://i.hizliresim.com/mkL2WR.jpg

Moreover, the screw is too much split that you couldn't even imagine. It had star figure but now has circle figure

I think if I find really powerful glue and dump it on the head of my screwdriver and then put my screwdriver to screw and wait a while to make them stick to each other and try to turn in this way. What do you think about it?

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@user Masea: Depends on how much force you have to use, I wouldn't recommend it though. You can still cut out a bit from the elastic band and stick it in. If it doesn't work get a needle to get it out again.

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Wow, guys! I think I've good news

First of all, thank you all who tried to help me! Really, I love this community as hell.

So, that screw whose head is split made me fucked up. I tried almost everything I could. But sadly, nothing happened. My father said me you should go to PC service, thus I went there. We talked a bit, I told him the things. That screw I'm talking about is keeping the keyboard. There are totally 3 screws for the keyboard. Since two of them were already out, we slightly removed some part of the keyboard. But the thing was, that screw wasn't out, the man applied heat to the screw with a machine which I don't know what it is while I was trying to make the keyboard drop to my hands. Finally, it worked. The keyboard dropped to my hands, so did the screw.

Afterward, we removed that shitty mitty screw from the keyboard and threw away! Hahaha! Fuck you screw!

We were ready to open the inside of the notebook and put the new thermal paste to where it needs to be put. We've done everything.

So I'm at home now. I just tried a game. There's no sizzle, no 90°Cs anymore. I saved like 30-25~ Celsius with that paste.

I'm now ready to tell you again "THANK YOU GUYS!"

EDIT: One more question dudes, how much time later should I replace my thermal paste again?
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You should replace that screw with new one, some laptops use this screws as a holder of the motherboard or cpu fan

It depends on how many hours you are using your laptop and how intense. You can change it if the temperatures are high again, in laptops it's more often due its small and compact cooler.
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